Finding lien on a property

Finding lien on a property

You can go to your local courthouse and do what is normally called an abstract. This has the liens and encumbrances on a particular property. The other, more effective way would be to work with a title company. I suggest an abstract first to get an idea of what I am looking at and then a title company before I close.

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Thanks!

Do you have a sample you could copy/paste or attach so people have an idea of what they are looking for/at?


Questions coach...

1. If I go into the courthouse & ask the clerk for an abstract (having the property address, parcel # in hand) will they just give me one? Is this a form they have for every property?

2. Does the Title company charge when you ask about liens? Would this be considered a "search"?

Thanks,
Dawn

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Answers

Dawn_Dean wrote:
1. If I go into the courthouse & ask the clerk for an abstract (having the property address, parcel # in hand) will they just give me one? Is this a form they have for every property?

2. Does the Title company charge when you ask about liens? Would this be considered a "search"?

Thanks,
Dawn

1) The court house will often show you how to search the books or database. Most courthouse will not give specific help on properties. As it often is with government agencies they know less about their systems then we do so do not expect a lot of help.

2) Most title companies will charge for lien information. They have to do some type of search to find liens. This uses their man hours and they will want to charge you for it.

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Abstract

dgadmin wrote:
Do you have a sample you could copy/paste or attach so people have an idea of what they are looking for/at?

Here is an example of an abstract:

Keep in mind that every county will be different. This comes from Utah County, Utah.

Grantor Entry No Inst Date Consideration
. . Grantee Book Page Rec Date Satifaction
Comments Kind of Inst Rec Time Tie Entry No

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STATE OF UTAH 114949:2008 10/20/2008
. . WHOM OF INTEREST 10/22/2008
CT 03:02

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BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS UTAH 107508:2008 09/30/2008
. . WHOM OF INTEREST 09/30/2008
RESOL 02:35

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HEINER, JOHN & ARLENE 051329:2006 04/26/2006
. . SWENSON, REED 04/27/2006
DECL 04:28

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COUNTRYWIDE HOME LOANS INC ET AL 022354:2005 02/23/2005
. . PURIRI, RAKAIPAKA & MARGIE D 03/03/2005 R 4950 594
RSUBTEE 11:22

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PURIRI, RAKAI P & MARGIE D 009765:2005 01/28/2005 $10.00
. . JMAC7 ENTERPRISES LLC 01/28/2005
WD 04:58

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BANK OF AMERICAN FORK TEE 000440:2005 12/28/2004
. . PURIRI, RAKAIPAKA & MARGIE D 01/03/2005 R 105464 2001
REC 02:04

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COUNTRYWIDE HOME LOANS INC ET AL 125329:2003 07/18/2003
. . WATKINS, RONALD B & MARY H 08/07/2003 R 5019 807 *
RSUBTEE 02:14

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PATTERSON, EUDORA T & EUDORA AKA 056566:2003 04/10/2003
. . WHOM OF INTEREST 04/14/2003 X 0366 216 *
AF DC 01:03

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MATHESON, STUART T SUCTEE 077378:2002 03/11/2002
. . WHOM OF INTEREST 07/10/2002 R 007158 2002
CAN ND 04:10

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The Next Item..

The next item you need to look at is what it all means. Again, each county will be different. The county will usually produce a key. For Example if I needed to know what CAN ND ment I would look at the key:

CAN ND NOTICE OF DEFAULT CANCELLATION

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Abstract

Hi Coach,

My questions for these are:

1. Is this abstract search just for a lien on the property, or on the persons name (such as for credit purposes) or both?

2. If there is an abstract, is it called an abstract for judgement or what is it?

3. If it is an abstract for judgement, what is that?

I really need to understand the meaning of all this.

Thank you,
Cathy


Abstract

Abstract is the process of looking for the liens or in other words abstracting the information. Some courthouses have a special way to abstract or perform an abstract.

Below is a lien found during an abstract.

CASTLE BUILDERS INC 074751:2007 05/21/2007 $10,410.00
. . MUDDY BOYS INC 05/21/2007 R 118212 2007
N LN 01:58

The same applies when I look for foreclosures in our area. Instead of N LN I would see ND (notice of default).

Most credit information will not show up on an abstract.

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From Information above

Here is an example from the first information I shared:

This is a cancellation of a notice of default (foreclosure). What probably happened is the home owner went into foreclosure but eventually covered their debts. When they cancel the back debts owed the bank canceled the foreclosure using the cancel of notice of default. Your state may be a little different.

MATHESON, STUART T SUCTEE 077378:2002 03/11/2002
. . WHOM OF INTEREST 07/10/2002 R 007158 2002
CAN ND 04:10

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Breaking it on down

( Coach...I found this information to be very helpful too..it kinda goes into detail and futher explains how the abstract is "decoded")

Law Encyclopedia: Abstract of Title
Home > Library > Law & Legal Issues > Law EncyclopediaThis entry contains information applicable to United States law only.

A condensed history, taken from public records or documents, of the ownership of a piece of land.

An abstract of title, or title abstract, briefly summarizes the various activities affecting ownership of a parcel of land. When a person or business agrees to purchase real estate, that person or business arranges for an examination of the history of the property's title. This examination is known as a title search. A title search is conducted to determine that the seller of the property in fact owns the property and has a free-and-clear title. A free-and-clear title has no clouds on it, which means that no person or business other than the seller has an interest in, or claim to, the property.

The process of determining the precise ownership of a piece of land by searching an abstract is complex and laborious. Often, the title abstract does not contain every transaction or proceeding that may affect ownership of the land. The search conductor, or abstractor, usually a trained professional, must verify that the abstract is complete by reviewing recent certifications that the abstract is correct, checking for gaps in dates and certification numbers, and ensuring that a proper legal description appears with each entry. The abstractor conducts a credit and finances check on all the names appearing in the abstract to see if any of the parties have filed for bankruptcy or have incurred other debts that may have caused a creditor to file a lien against the property toward payment of the debt.

An abstractor must refer to many different sources to verify that the title to a parcel of land is true and correct. The abstractor verifies the original government survey, which should include gaps and overlaps in land ownership. With improved technology, surveys now have a margin of error of less than one foot. The abstractor must understand the various means of describing the exact boundaries of a piece of land, and must recognize unacceptable methods.

Claims on the title to a property are subject to time limitations, but the limitations have certain exceptions. For example, the Forty-Year Law holds that no party with a potential claim that arose over forty years before can claim an interest in a property where one person or business has been the recorded owner for at least forty years. Exceptions are made, however, for those holding mortgages or contracts with terms that span more than forty years, and also for prior interests claimed as school or school district lands, parkland dedications, or the property of religious corporations or associations.

To perform a title search, the abstractor must obtain a copy of the abstract from the county recorder in the county where the land is located. Then it is time to make sense of the document. The accompanying sample abstract of title illustrates typical entries.

1.

Entry 1 identifies the land in question. The sample abstract is for platted land, which is land described by lots and blocks. A platted parcel spans a certain number of feet, on a certain lot, within a certain block, within a certain city. Another method of identifying a parcel of land is by metes and bounds. For metes and bounds land, a parcel is identified by its boundaries according to their terminal points and angles. Platted descriptions are used in urban areas, and metes and bounds descriptions are used mostly in rural areas.

2.

Entry 2 is the original entry. It states the time and place that the U.S. government first conveyed this tract of land to a private individual. The description follows a progression from small to large. The parcel is identified first by its location within a certain section, which is located within a certain township, which is located within a certain range. Each range spans six miles and several townships, and each township contains several sections, which in turn are divided into quarters, which can also be divided into quarters. The last two lines of the right-hand column might read, for example, "Land Office Records, page 100. North ¼of Section 36, T. [Township] 32, R. [Range] 22." The original description of any parcel of land comes from the measurements of the original government survey of the nineteenth century.

3.

Entry 3 is the land patent, or John Doe's title defense. The land patent is issued by the government to operate as proof of title for the first governmentally recognized owner of the land. The land patent shows the date of the land transfer, the date the patent was filed with the government, the particular book of deeds containing the patent, and the land parcel as described in the original entry.

4.

Entry 4 reveals that John Doe platted his quarter of section 36—that is, he subdivided the land and dedicated it to the public for sale. The beginning of the entry might read, "Plat of Stoneybrook Addition to the City of New Heidelberg." Note that township 36 has become, or has been incorporated into, what is now New Heidelberg. The entry continues with the date John Doe received approval from the city of New Heidelberg, the date the subdivision was filed with the county, the particular book of plats in which the subdivision is entered, and the original description of the land. The subdivision is entered in the county's book of plats because New Heidelberg has chosen to identify its land parcels by plats, and not metes and bounds. Other means of identifying land parcels are sometimes employed. Land is sometimes identified by acres in rural areas, and by government lots for land adjacent to meandering lakes, but most of the land in the United States is identified by either plats or metes and bounds.

5.

Entry 5 shows that John Doe sold a parcel of the subdivision to Richard Roe. Roe received a warranty deed, which serves as evidence of Doe's title. A warranty deed means that Doe has warranted to Roe that Doe is the rightful owner of the land. This type of deed has legal ramifications that benefit the purchaser, here Roe. There are other types of real estate deeds. A purchaser receives a tax deed, for example, when he or she buys real estate sold for nonpayment of taxes, and this purchase involves procedures that differ from those of other land purchases. A sheriff's deed is given to the purchaser of land sold by court order such as in a mortgage foreclosure, and this transaction also has special legal ramifications for the purchaser. Because the land in the sample abstract is platted, the parcel is assigned a lot number, within a certain block, within the city of New Heidelberg—for example, this entry might read, "Lot 1, Block E, Stoneybrook Addition to City of New Heidelberg." The entry also contains information on when the warranty deed was signed, and when it was filed with the county.

6.

Entry 6 shows that Richard Roe and Ruth Roe have mortgaged their property to John Smith. With an interest in lot 1 of block E as collateral, Smith has paid for the Roes' property, and the Roes have undertaken to repay Smith. The entry shows the date the mortgage agreement was signed and the date the mortgage was filed with the county. The remainder might read, "Book 1 of Mortgages, page 10, to secure $10,000, due January 10, 1910. Lot 1, Block E, Stoneybrook Addition."

7.

Entry 7 shows that John Smith has assigned the mortgage on lot 1, block E, to William White. In other words, Smith has sold to White his mortgagee interest in lot 1, block E. An assignment can occur for any number of reasons, but often it is a sale made to satisfy debts. This particular action is entered in the book of assignments in the county seat.

8.

Entry 8 shows that Richard Roe and Ruth Roe have paid off, or satisfied, the mortgage (et ux is Latin for "and wife"). This entry is filed in the book of assignments in the county seat.

9.

Entry 9 reveals that Richard Roe has died. This "Will and Probate" entry reports that, upon his death, Roe seeks to transfer ownership of lot 1, block E, in New Heidelberg, to his wife, Ruth Roe.

10.

Entry 10 identifies Ruth Roe as the sole owner of the parcel. The probate court, which tends to property matters surrounding the death of an individual, has approved the assignment of lot 1, block E, contained in Richard Roe's will.

11.

Entry 11 shows that Ruth Roe has taken out a mortgage on lot 1, block E. She has borrowed money from Samuel Brown, using the real estate as collateral. The entry is identical to the first mortgage agreement with John Smith, entry 6.

12.

Entry 12 reveals that Ruth Roe was unable to make her mortgage payments to Samuel Brown, and Brown has sought payment by exercising his right to force a sale of the property by foreclosing on the mortgage. The forced sale was published in a newspaper. The dates of public notice, the publication affidavit, and the service of notice to Roe are all entered in the abstract. The certificate of sale and the date the forced sale was filed with the county are also included. This entry shows that Brown has purchased lot 1 at the resulting sheriff's sale of the property. The amount Brown paid would depend on the value of the real estate and the amount of the mortgage. The "No. 11" following "Foreclosure of" simply refers to the court document number of the foreclosure.

13.

Entry 13 shows that Samuel Brown and Sophy Brown have sold a part of lot 1 to James Jones by quitclaim deed. Generally, a quitclaim deed transfers title to property without warranties that the title is free and clear. Owing to Ruth Roe's financial troubles, the Browns are probably uncertain of their title's completeness, so they have chosen to sell parts of their lot by quitclaim deed instead of warranty deed. Jones now owns a northern piece of lot 1, block E, of Stoneybrook Addition.

14.

Entry 14 shows the taxes paid on the property, except for the current year. An entry of taxes paid is listed every time a tax assessment is made or paid in relation to the property of the abstract. Taxes listed in the abstract may include estate taxes, inheritance taxes, capital gains taxes, and local government property taxes. The abstract should include the current amount of these taxes and certification that they have been paid.

15.

Entry 15 reveals that, to avoid financial disaster, James Jones has filed bankruptcy. The northern piece of lot 1, block E, Stoneybrook Addition, New Heidelberg, is now being used to secure protection from creditors. Jones has given to the bankruptcy court a trust deed, which the court retains until Jones has fulfilled his obligations under the financial rehabilitation plan approved by the court. Should Jones default on this arrangement, the court could order a forced sale of the property, with proceeds going to Jones's creditors. The land covered by this particular abstract has now been defined; it is a certain northern piece of lot 1 of block E in the Stoneybrook Addition of New Heidelberg. The land to the south of this piece would have its own abstract, which would be identical to this abstract up to the point that lot 1 was divided up and part of it sold to Jones. Likewise, the abstract for the adjacent lot 2 on block E would have an abstract identical to this abstract up to the point that John Doe sold to Richard Roe the newly platted land of section 36 in township 32, range 22.

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Getting owner to pay lien

How do you get the owner (bank or corporation) to pay the lien? When they have it noted on the property listing's notes that purchaser is responsible for paying the lien on the property.

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Thanks!

Thank you Coach and sistreat for this helpful information. This is what I am looking for. I'm looking at tax sale properties and want to know if I can do a preliminary search for any liens on the property. Don't want to pay title co $400 or 500/search with out knowing I'm going to buy.


Finding liens on properties

Hi Coach thanks for you explaination on this subject your wonderful for charing your a true winner and thanks for the rest of comments from others, Jim

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