Hello DG family,
I ran across this article, and hard money scams are VERY real. The moral of the story is to not EVER pay ANY money upfront EVER!!!!
I actually had a guy try to ask me for these same 'due diligence fees'. So, they are not just on the East Coast. The article is below:
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Hi, my name is Robert Woodruff, I’m the President of the Charleston Real Estate Investors’ Association. I’d like you to pay close attention to what I’m about to tell you. The information you are about to receive in this blog can mean the difference between achieving your dreams, or suffering your worst nightmare.
Over the past several years I have had the unfortunate opportunity of meeting many investors who’ve been taken by fake hard money scams. In this blog, I’m going to explain the circumstances around 3 of these events. One of these events transpired with a close investor friend of mine that I met through my club, another was my own personal experience, and lately I have had another investor from Florida who contacted me with the same experience. Except for me, for the sake of the investors involved, their names will be changed to protect their privacy. However, I will use the very same names that the scam artists used.
Jim was a hard working guy. He worked his way through our REIA club first by learning how to wholesale, then started accumulating houses, and then achieved his financial freedom by buying mobile homes for cash flow. It didn’t take Jim very long to realize that mobile home parks & commercial investments had the best cash flow of any other investment. Jim did a really great job by buying his very first mobile home park No Money Down in Louisiana, just outside of New Orleans.
Jim received a call one day from an investor friend. His friend told him of a hard money lender he recently spoke with about funding one of his deals. The terms of the hard money loan were better than any hard money terms he had ever encountered. Jim was excited to hear about this new hard money lender program. He got hard money lenders {number|quantity|amount|variety|range|selection} and contacted him to test the waters. After speaking with this particular hard money lender, he began searching high and low for deals on mobile home parks all across the country. After finding 3 great deals, he returned to the lender to discuss financing. The lender had him send the paperwork for the deals to him by fax. They exchanged normal paperwork, including a non-compete that the lender was glad to sign so that there wasn’t any question of the lender stealing Jims’ deals.
Following speaking with the lender and receiving a proof of funds letter to give to his sellers, Jim promptly sent the lender $15,000 dollars. This money would be considered a “due diligence fee” so that the lender would continue with the funding of his three deals. Jim gladly paid the due diligence fee out of his own pocket. Then he began contacting all of the small money lenders he could find (father, brother, sister, friends & friends of friends) to acquire an additional $20,000 down payment for each deal to close. The amount he now needed was $60,000. Jim didn’t worry much about the full amount of $75,000 that he was giving the lender because the hard money lender assured Jim that since his deals were around 50% of value(ARV), he would receive all of the cash back on closing day plus lots more to put into his pocket. “Up to 70% of the value of each property” Since Jim located some really great deals, paying $75,000 was a drop in the bucket considering he would walk away from closing with a couple hundred thousand dollars. After collecting an additional $20,000 per deal to close from his family and friends, Jim promptly wired “Terry” the money.
After being “stiped” do death by the hard money lender over a 6 month period of time, Jim finally succumbed to the fact that he lost all of his money to an individual that wouldn’t hesitate to lead him on for yet another 6 months if needed. It was still hard for Jim to believe what had happened. He still wishes today that the hard money lender had not been a scam artist and that the deals had closed like they were supposed to. For good reason, notice, if Jim’s deals had went to closing like he thought they would, those 3 mobile home park deals would have brought Jim an extra $50,000 per month. It would have changed his life and the life of family.
Instead of achieving his dreams, Jim achieved a nightmare. But this wasn’t just his nightmare, the nightmare now included his family, friends, and trusting private money investors. Jim was now on the hook with everyone he knew for being so ignorant to have lost everyones’ money. In an attempt to pay everyone back, he sold everything in his portfolio that he had worked so hard to build. Then, Jim applied for the best paying job he could find to keep his family afloat. Unfortunately, the job is in New Mexico, thousands of miles away from his wife and children in Charleston, SC.
Just as Jim’s friend had turned-him-on to this hard money scam, Jim had turned-me-on to the scam as well. The deal sounded legit until I realized Jim was in a state of emergency. By the time Jim contacted me that none of his deals were closing, I had already been suckered out of a $3,000 dollar “due diligence fee” from this person calling himself “Terry”. Terry sounded very professional, and assured me his company was legit. He put me in contact with two other individuals who supposedly own and manage the company and they both assured me that they could handle anything I put in front of them. “Essentially, they were tag-teaming me.” They even assured me that they could fund my accounts receivables’ for my durable medical equipment company (DME). These guys don’t just target real estate investors, they also target small business owners.
After paying Terry $3,000 for a due diligence fee, I noticed the paperwork he had sent me looked like something I threw together when I was a beginning investor. By using a ruler, I quickly realized he had photocopied something that he had taped together. I was immediately upset that I didn’t pay better attention to the paperwork before I wired him the money. I guess I was suffering from the same dilemma Jim had experienced. I wanted this deal to be true so much that I carelessly overlooked something I could have easily caught. The money I lost wasn’t much in comparison to what I would have made if the deal actually turned out to be true, but it wasn’t true.
Recently, I received a a call from a lady investor from Florida. She had used a reputable hard money lender to give her a second mortgage on her personal home on Wadmallaw Island. She then used the money to shore-up her real-estate investing portfolio. She had acquired too many houses before the market fell and needed a strong influx of cash to bail herself out.
Most hard money lender terms are for 6 months. After the six months, they apply an additional origination fee towards the balance of your loan to refinance you again. After 12 months, most will take your property and any equity you have remaining. This particular lady needed another hard money lender to refinance her or risk losing her own house. She called around and spoke to not one, not two, but THREE! Three Fake Hard Money Lenders scammed her for a total of $12,000 in due diligence fees. She called me back after the weekend and told me a law firm out of Pennsylvania now scammed her for an additional $1,200 dollars and stopped taking her calls.
This lady is about to lose roughly $500,000 in equity in her posh island home to a hard money lender because all the hard money lenders she called were fake and used up all the time she had left to refinance. She contacted me for the first time within a few days of losing this property. Because she needed $150,000 to shore-up her mistake of buying too many houses, she now lost over a half-million dollars in equity, and her personal island home. As you can imagine, the $14,200 she lost to these fake organizations was just a drop in the bucket, “Thou, it marked the onset a much bigger loss.”
As far as I am concerned, there is no better {or|or even|or perhaps|as well as|or maybe|and also} noble of an action than trying to make a difference in the lives or our families thru investing. I applaud every successful investor who wasn’t shy about doing hard work, and separating themselves from their comfort zone to learn something new. Without a doubt, I know how hard and stressful the whole process can be. This is why I took the time to write this blog. I’m giving you this information in hope that you will not make the same mistakes we have. Knowing the information in this blog can mean the difference between achieving your dreams, or suffering your worst nightmare.
If it’s too good to be true, chances are it isn’t. For your own sake, the sake of your family, friends, and investing colleagues, remember this blog when considering hard money lenders.
If you would like to learn something that seems too good to be true, but IS TRUE, then I encourage you to join me at “TheKeystoCashFlow.com”
*Robert Woodruff is a multiple business owner, philanthropist, real estate investor, President of the Charleston REIA, and author of; “The Keys to Cash Flow.” Robert lives on a small island outside of Charleston SC with his lovely wife of 15 years and two boys. For more information on topics like these or to know more about Robert, Visit him at his site or join him on Facebook.
A good read to those who don't know about the danger yet!
Read and think before you enter into any contract with a HML, and as Tammy said. "Never, Ever pay any up front fee's. That should be the alarm going off in your head. Always bear in mind Hard Money is for short term only and the interest and fees are out of this world. Make sure you crunch numbers before you sign on the dotted line...Jan
1) There's NO WAY an actual law firm ripped off this lady. If they charged her for their advice, there's a price for it, it's not free, and if you want it, you have to pay for it, just like anything else in this world. If she had truly been ripped off, she could turn around with her own lawyer, sue them for malpractice in the amount of TRIPLE what she was unfairly charged. Real law firms are far too easy to reach and are held to very high standards of accountability.
If ONE or TWO people get the best of you because you didn't do your homework, well then yeah, you got "caught sleeping" and maybe you got ripped off, but NOT by a law firm! For all she knows, she was prolly calling this "lender's" friends in another room who told her, "oh yeah, we're lawyers, tee hee!" By refusing to pay anyone for any service, legitimate or otherwise, she makes herself look like the real conman.
2) "If it's too good to be true, chances are it isn't." This should've been the title of this article, and they STILL got it wrong! LOL So, what's the REAL message they're trying to send here? See #3...
3) The author "wraps up" this "article" by promoting himself. How charmingly capitalistic of you! No wonder you screwed up #1 and 2 above. Now, come buy MY stuff!
The article serves its purpose, I suppose. It exposes a very real danger all of us are already aware of and can easily snag and destroy anyone. Getting the main message completely wrong and promoting yourself at the end is just hilarious.
Paul: "I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when my fear is gone I will turn and face fear's path, and only I will remain."
Duke Leto: "I'll miss the sea, but a person needs new experiences. They jar something deep inside, allowing him to grow. Without change something sleeps inside us, and seldom awakens. The sleeper must awaken." - "Dune."
IF this is a true story, the 1st guy really got the worst of the worst. That one decision completely changed his life around and now he has to start once a again at the bottom and try to build everything back up.
Think twice before you speak, or sign a very important piece of paper!
"You deserve to be successful"
Gabriel Do Carmo
www.gdc.usapropertywholesale.com
Good points you made. I went to his website after reading what you said. Looks like he is just selling his stuff.
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of course, its always about selling; but the article is good, because it shows the harsh reality. I know of a few DGers that have been taken in by scams like this.
I have been saying and posting this here for several YEARS now. NEVER pay ANY fees upfront to any hard money lender. OR transactional funder for that matter. I have also said to use LOCAL HMLs. They know the local market and have people on the ground that can determine the ARV of the property and if your rehab/remodel estimate will bring that ARV. They also know the local rental market and have associated themselves with lenders that can re-fi your hard money loan once you have done the rehab if you want to hold.
Doing a HM deal is NOT an entry level no money down strategy.
I have always suggested that you go to your local REI club meeting and find out who the guys that are DOING DEALS use for their HM source. 90% of attendees at these meetings are wannabes that never pull the trigger. You don't need their opinion. Find the guys that have deals for sale.
I would stay away from nationally advertised (on the internet) HM lenders. Get away from your computer and get out in the local market (face to face) and find out what local HM lender is actually being USED by successful LOCAL investors.
I agree with David. Even though the basic message of the guys post was good. It could have been more direct with fewer scare tactics. It was also a blatant attempt to promote himself. Not to experienced investors but to newbees. I would be surprised if he not associated with his own HM lender and that HM will be promoted on his site.
Just my thoughts and opinions!
Michael Mangham
Mentoring/Team Building Nationwide
MD Home Acquisitions LLC
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I have not used a HML yet, but a really good heads up and advice.
Judi
"Doing a HM deal is NOT an 'entry level' no money down strategy
I would stay away from nationally advertised (on the internet) HM lenders.
GET AWAY from your computer and get out in the local market (face to face) and find out what local HM lender is actually being USED by successful LOCAL investors."....
HM Cost BIG bucks, you have to have a REALLY cheap purchase to make it work
Be Careful NOT stupid
Mike
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Tammy - thank you!
this is great information and another example of why it is so important to "trust then verify!" - do your due diligence. Error on the side of caution. Unfortunately, there are dishonest people out there who really should learn real estate and learn how to "earn" money instead of scamming people. We need to watch out for each other! That's why we are the dg family and not just colleagues
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