How Many Rental Properties do you Need to Retire?

How Many Rental Properties do you Need to Retire?

Rental properties are a terrific way to invest your money,especially if you are trying to retire early. They provide cash flow, terrific returns, tax advantages and are a great way to leverage your money. I particularly think rental properties are a great means to retire early, because you they provide cash flow. How much money do you have to invest and how many rental properties do you need to retire?

For more information on my rental properties and investing strategies check out my complete guide to purchasing long-term rental properties.

How much money can you make from rental properties?

The returns on rental properties vary based on location, purchase price and many more variables. I shoot for about $500 in monthly cash flow on my rental properties that I buy for $80,000 to $135,000. Some people may make more and some people less when they invest in rental properties. Here is a great article on how much money you can make from rental properties. I have 10 rental properties now and I make conservatively $5,000 a month on them.

Not only do you get cash flow from rental properties, but there is a good chance your properties will appreciate over time, although never count on appreciation. If you leverage your properties then you are paying down your mortgage and gaining equity as well.

For more information on why rental properties are such a great investment and how to start investing in rental properties. Check out my E book Retire Rich and Early with Real Estate at Amazon as an 113 page E book or here as a PDF.

How much money do you need to retire?

There is a difference between how much money you need to retire and how much money you want to retire with. We could retire with the bare minimum to live on, but that would not be much fun. The answer to how much money you want to retire with is different for everyone and even different for the same person at different stages of their life.

I have continually increased the amount of money I want for retirement as my income has increased and I have learned I am capable of much more than I previously believed. When I was just starting out in my real estate career I would have loved to have $5,000 a month coming in and probably would have been happy to retire at that level. Now that I know I can do so much more, my goal is to retire with the income that 100 rental properties will provide.

I could certainly retire with much less money and be perfectly happy, but I love big goals and pushing myself to do as much as impossibly can. The question you have to ask yourself is how much money do you want to retire with? Do you want to retire at your current income level, more or less? Don’t let the belief that you could never make enough money to retire how you want stop you. Here is a more detailed article on how rental properties can help you retire early.

Why are rental properties a better way to retire than traditional investments?

When you invest in the stock market, mutual funds or bonds; you have no real control of your investment. Sure you can choose what you invest in, but you have no way to make the company or bond you invest in perform better. You can only hope the company performs well once you put your money in. The really frustrating part is a company can do great, but the economy can tank and still cause a stock to go down.

With rental properties you have complete control. You buy the rental property, hopefully below market value. Try buying a stock below market value, its impossible. On a rental property you choose what to repair, how to finance the property and you rent the home. You can also hire a property manager to perform these tasks, but you have the choice how to manage and run your rental property.

Why rental properties let you plan for retirement easier

When you plan to retire with stocks and bonds, a retirement calculator will tell you how much you have to invest each year to reach your retirement goal. You have to guess how long you will live and what rate of return stocks will give you to predict how much money you need to save. If you live to long or get a lower rate of return you run out of money in retirement.

Rental properties provide monthly cash flow and because of that cash flow you don’t have to guess when you will die. You figure out how much money you need per month in retirement and you buy enough rental properties to provide that monthly cash flow.

How many rental properties do you need to retire?

It may seem simple to calculate how much money rental properties will provide for retirement. Multiply your monthly cash flow by how many properties you have and you have your number.

However, the cash flow on rental properties will increase over time. If you are using leverage and getting loans on your rental properties, eventually you will pay off loans like I recently did on rental property number one. Paying off my mortgage increased my cash flow by over $300 a month.

Rental rates will most likely increase over time as well. When I first rented rental property number one three years ago, I rented it for $1,050 a month and I just rented for $1,300 a month. I would not count on that much rent appreciation, but there should be some appreciation over time.

There is no easy formula to calculate the total returns from rental properties. No one can predict rent appreciation or exactly when properties will be paid off. I like to pay off one rental property at a time early with my cash flow. My suggestion is for everyone to write out a plan as detailed as possible for their expected rental property returns. It does not have to be exact, I have written many plans and each time my number change quite a bit. The act and writing out and thinking about your plan will help you to achieve your goals. Here is an article with a plan for someone buying one property a year with minimal down payments. You may need 5, 10, 20 or 100 rental properties to reach your retirement goals.

Why rental properties will let you retire early

The great part about rental properties is they allow you to retire early if you so desire. I have 10 rental properties that I have bought over the last 3.5 years. I have spent $270,000 to $300,000 buying and repairing those properties and they produce over $5,000 a month. If I wanted to retire right now, I would keep making that $5,000 or more for the rest of my life. I would not have to worry about my money running out like you do with the stock market. The stock market retirement calculators depend on people using all their money up until they die. That is why you risk running out of money with when investing in the stock market. If I would have invested my money in the stock market, I may be able to retire for 6 or 7 years, before I had to go back to work again.

Conclusion

There is no magic formula for how much money you need to retire and there is no magic formula for how many rental properties you need to retire. We all have different needs and different desires in life and retirement. It is still very important to write out your goals and a plan for how to reach them. An easy way to start is to figure out how much money you want in retirement, then figure how much money you can make with rental properties and that will tell you how many rental properties you need to retire. mferguson

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It all depends

Rental cash flows are a great way to go. Each individual has different reitrement needs and expenses. So there is no one clear cut formula. Way to go.


This article is

This article is very good for several reasons:

It gives the investor a good look at where he wants to go in his real estate investment long term

It gives the investor key things to consider when looking for cash flowing properties

And although locations vary as you say it is important to note the role an investor would like to play in maintaining their properties

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Randy

Rental properties are a great goal for us to become wealthy and be able to enjoy our retirement.

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How Many Rental Properties do you Need to Retire?

I think this its a great question.

-I don't think it's a matter of how many properties you need to have, but how much money you're going to need per year; and base on that you'll be able to know how many houses you're going to need.

Another thing to keep in mind, it's Where will this rentals be? -we like to buy our properties in areas like Chicago, Michigan, Arkansas & Pittsburgh Pa, mainly because we can get into a 3/2 already fixed up for less than 35K.

Something to keep in mind.


When we started buying we

When we started buying we purchased in D neighborhood and Now looking back I wish we hadn't. They cash flow but they take more management. And back then we thought as long as the broke even....well that does give me any change in my pocket. so our later strategy had been a minimum of 300 dollars a month cashflow. I do think you have to decide how much money you want as passive income every month and make that your target.
Great topic!

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Donna

Donna you are right, this is for passive income and one does not want headaches that is why management handles that.....

Donna Doo wrote:
When we started buying we purchased in D neighborhood and Now looking back I wish we hadn't. They cash flow but they take more management. And back then we thought as long as the broke even....well that does give me any change in my pocket. so our later strategy had been a minimum of 300 dollars a month cashflow. I do think you have to decide how much money you want as passive income every month and make that your target.
Great topic!

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Watch your words, for they become actions.
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Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.
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I would think.....

I would think you would like areas close to your place you would like to retire in..... And of course the numbers work as you suggested as well

eblackhurst wrote:
I think this its a great question.

-I don't think it's a matter of how many properties you need to have, but how much money you're going to need per year; and base on that you'll be able to know how many houses you're going to need.

Another thing to keep in mind, it's Where will this rentals be? -we like to buy our properties in areas like Chicago, Michigan, Arkansas & Pittsburgh Pa, mainly because we can get into a 3/2 already fixed up for less than 35K.

Something to keep in mind.

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Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.
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Our Heart's Desire must be nurtured by our mind,to give birth to common sense, that will enable us to seek out the path less traveled, with the greatest Personal Growth. -J.R.-


link to e-book?

it states in the article that there is a pdf link for Mark Ferguson's e-book Retire Rich and Early with Real Estate; did anyone find it? I've only found the kindle version on amazon for $6.99...

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Thank you.

This is a great topic. Thank you.

Be your very best always-Judy Williamson

What you focus on is where your energy goes-Kristin

With gratitude,
Patrick


Br sure you thoroughly check

Br sure you thoroughly check out your PM company or create your own.

Rental can be a head ache but an excellent investment in my opinion. and they are insured!!!

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Donna

Donna, I was about to ask you if you have a management company managing your properties but then remembered you have your own management company. I know 2 people that started their own management company, not sure Michelle would even entertain that one! Also, THANKS for putting in how you would NOT buy in D neighborhoods and wish you didn't start there. We are not in those neighborhoods but every once in a while I get that thought and I sure don't want to be posting in 5 years that I wish I hadn't. I want less headaches as I get older, not more.

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Randy

Thanks for a great post. 10 is our current goal, 3 down in the past year, 7 more to go, but I don't think we'll be stopping at 10. We will however be using the lease option strategy so we have less money out of pocket! Whats your thoughts on that or do you have another post where you discuss that?

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Excellent Point Donna!

a good PM company is a must if you own rental properties! Your properties will be properly maintained,you will have less tenant turnover, and you will be able to get top rents! If those aren't enough reasons to convince anyone that the cost to pay a good PM company is worth it, then I don't know what to say... I've gone through bad PM companies for my out of state properties, and it's not fun Eye-wink

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This article is very good

This article is very good and nice for good reason
It gives the investor a good look at where he wants to go in his real estate investment long term .It gives the investor key things to consider when looking for cash flowing properties..this all things i agree with you .


Great information

I will start to buy and hold very soon and I will plan on I will shoot to retire with 100 rental properties as well.

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very lively

Great discussion from all the feed back, loved it and thanks everyone, sincerely, Jim

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How many rental properties do you need?

My wife asks me how many rental properties do we need? My standard answer has been just one more. The only exception is when I find two deals at the same time that I cannot turn down! I quit counting how many I need when I had to take my shoes off.


IS IT REALISTIC TO THINK I COULD PAY CASH FOR ALL OF MY RENTAL

units ? I would plan on using my wholesaling/rehabbing Income to pay for them. Then I could really cash flow minus repairs and maintenance...

ANY ONES THOUGHTS ??

thanks very much Randy this is a great topic...I would like to own 1000 units. I heard Dean say he owns 900 and Matt owns several hundred he said...... I would want to own my rentals in an area where I can get $1000 to $2000 a month in rental income per unit.... Am I being unrealistic ???

thanks everyone for your input....

WALT


10? 25? 30? 50? 100?

the amount of rentals that you would need to retire depends on how much income you need or want when you retire? You can estimate approximately $400/mo net income per property (this is for just an average 3/2, C neighborhood in x midwest town, avg. purchase price $35,000); so if you own 10 properties, your net income will be $48,000/yr; 25 properties=$120,000/yr, etc. etc.

When I first started investing, I thought it would be 10 (Haha!) so now I'm saying it's 25... but I'm not making any promises Eye-wink

So, what's your number? Smiling

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Walt

think law of attraction... you have to believe it, not question it. You can make happen what you believe in! You can do it Walt!Smiling

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Heres the deal

1. HOW much do you Need to retire per month? $5k, $10k really?

2. You dont have to pay cash for every property..only 10-20% down

3. AFTER you run the numbers and figure HOW much you need per month (how much is really enough?) then you can decide on how many and how you purchase them.

4. IF you can live DEBT free and have $5-10k a month coming in, IS this enough?

5. Don't be side tracked by Greed and 'keeping up with the Jone's,Matt Larson's or Graziosi's.

6. Bottom line is : HOW MUCH IS ENOUGH for YOU?

Remember to HELP people and make a Really good living and Enjoy it!

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Mike

My thoughts exactly. I do not want so much going on that I can't retire and relax. If I am debt free, no mortgage, no car payments, and have enough coming in to live comfortable and do some traveling, then I am golden. I figure I will more then likely always wholesale or rehab something once in a while to make a nice chunk of cash, but still be allowed to disappear on a trip for a month or more without worrying.

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DEBT FREE

and collecting $5k - $10k or per month, You should be able to "get by" just fine

Learn HOW to BUDGET !!!

The "Budget" is the most overlooked and unused by MOST ppl that puts them into a toxic financial situation, often sending them into foreclosure, bankrupt etc,...BUT

TRY and HELP these people and be the "PROBLEM SOLVER", they WILL appreciate your knowledge and skills!

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HOORAA

jackk09 wrote:
My thoughts exactly. I do not want so much going on that I can't retire and relax. If I am debt free, no mortgage, no car payments, and have enough coming in to live comfortable and do some traveling, then I am golden. I figure I will more then likely always wholesale or rehab something once in a while to make a nice chunk of cash, but still be allowed to disappear on a trip for a month or more without worrying.

Makes it ALL worthwhile for the sacrifices we make!

Life IS good

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Come GET Some

and Stop making excuses and change YOUR life Forever!!!!

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AS MANY AS I WANT LOL.......

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OH AND THANK YOU VALERIE !!!!!!!

very much for your comment


Hey Walt!

I wanted to give you a 'like' on your post (like on facebook) Smiling

very true... we can have as many as you like! Smiling

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